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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] hair and help with google
[I] hair and help with google [message #276019] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 01:11
Louise Mac Mahon  
This is trivial. And I'm ashamed to admit that I spent a good half an hour
trying to find out what percentage of men are very hairy. No reason, well no
good reason. It's just the last two times I've been swimming with the kids I
saw a Very Hairy Man, and they were two seperate individuals. So I got to
wondering what percentage of men are VH, and do they have to use shampoo all
over etc. Also most interested in whether it is something that works for or
against men in relationships. Are all the other men jealous or sympathetic?
Are women charmed or repulsed? I'm voting for repulsed. I can still see the
initial VHM's flowing back hair swirling round his shoulders in the jacuzzi
and muster a shudder.
Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some individuals
with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom eked out a living
in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked to PCOS. But what I
really want to know is
what percentage of men are VH?
And what are we all going to do about it?
Any real life VH apfers?
Louise
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276033 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 01:46
Steve Rogers  
"Louise Mac Mahon" <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote in message
news:4e9ai0F1d99inU1 [at] individual.net...
> This is trivial. And I'm ashamed to admit that I spent a good half an
> hour trying to find out what percentage of men are very hairy. No
> reason, well no good reason. It's just the last two times I've been
> swimming with the kids I saw a Very Hairy Man, and they were two
> seperate individuals. So I got to wondering what percentage of men are
> VH, and do they have to use shampoo all over etc. Also most interested
> in whether it is something that works for or against men in
> relationships. Are all the other men jealous or sympathetic? Are women
> charmed or repulsed? I'm voting for repulsed. I can still see the
> initial VHM's flowing back hair swirling round his shoulders in the
> jacuzzi and muster a shudder.
> Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some
> individuals with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom
> eked out a living in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked
> to PCOS. But what I really want to know is
> what percentage of men are VH?
> And what are we all going to do about it?
> Any real life VH apfers?

Well count me out of the sample then, the only great amount of hair I
have is on my head which I'm trying to grow long enough to tuck in and
pretend I have chest hair peeking over the top of my shirts.

Steve
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276037 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 02:00
Torak  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
> This is trivial. And I'm ashamed to admit that I spent a good half an hour
> trying to find out what percentage of men are very hairy. No reason, well no
> good reason. It's just the last two times I've been swimming with the kids I
> saw a Very Hairy Man, and they were two seperate individuals. So I got to
> wondering what percentage of men are VH, and do they have to use shampoo all
> over etc. Also most interested in whether it is something that works for or
> against men in relationships. Are all the other men jealous or sympathetic?
> Are women charmed or repulsed? I'm voting for repulsed. I can still see the
> initial VHM's flowing back hair swirling round his shoulders in the jacuzzi
> and muster a shudder.
> Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some individuals
> with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom eked out a living
> in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked to PCOS. But what I
> really want to know is
> what percentage of men are VH?
> And what are we all going to do about it?
> Any real life VH apfers?

Well, FWIW, most of my hair seems to have migrated to my chin, a light
dusting on the noggin, and negligible amounts elsewhere. Does that count?
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276213 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 09:30
Louise Mac Mahon  
"Steve Rogers" <steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:e5nu8i$npn$1$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Louise Mac Mahon" <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote in message
> news:4e9ai0F1d99inU1 [at] individual.net...
>> This is trivial.


.. But what I really want to know is
>> what percentage of men are VH?
>> And what are we all going to do about it?
>> Any real life VH apfers?
>
> Well count me out of the sample then, the only great amount of hair I have
> is on my head which I'm trying to grow long enough to tuck in and pretend
> I have chest hair peeking over the top of my shirts.
>
I shouldn't bother. If the hair on your head is growing so luxuriantly, the
chest hair isn't . Men seem to not so much go bald, as have their hair
migrate south with age.
The whole male pattern hair is quite interesting, when culture meets
testosterone.
You would think that because more testosterone means more male pattern hair,
i.e more body hair less head hair, and that the effects increase with age,
and that male attractiveness is also to an extent age related, that male
baldness would be a cultural icon, like the female waist hip ratio. But it
ain't so. We posterise men with head hair and little or no body hair. The
number of men who shave their heads to look sexier for instance is much less
than the women who use anything from optical illusion to corsetry to appear
to have an ideal waist hip ratio. There seems to be a bit of a prejudice
against body hair (which I share) and I wonder why.
Louise
Re: hair and help with google [message #276344 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 15:41
Count Louis  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
> This is trivial. And I'm ashamed to admit that I spent a good half an hour
> trying to find out what percentage of men are very hairy. No reason, well no
> good reason. It's just the last two times I've been swimming with the kids I
> saw a Very Hairy Man, and they were two seperate individuals. So I got to
> wondering what percentage of men are VH, and do they have to use shampoo all
> over etc. Also most interested in whether it is something that works for or
> against men in relationships. Are all the other men jealous or sympathetic?
> Are women charmed or repulsed? I'm voting for repulsed. I can still see the
> initial VHM's flowing back hair swirling round his shoulders in the jacuzzi
> and muster a shudder.
> Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some individuals
> with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom eked out a living
> in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked to PCOS. But what I
> really want to know is
> what percentage of men are VH?
> And what are we all going to do about it?
> Any real life VH apfers?
> Louise

Did a quick Google, searched 'what percentage of men are very hairy?'
(without quotes), and came up with a few responses.

This might answer _some_ of your questions.. : www.luna.co.uk/~charles

~ C.L.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276346 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 15:44
news0605  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:

> Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some individuals
> with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom eked out a living
> in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked to PCOS. But what I
> really want to know is what percentage of men are VH?

Maybe it's just me, but could you define what you mean by *very* hairy?
Because...

> Any real life VH apfers?

.... I've got hair all over, and it's quite visible, because it's dark
hair on light skin, but it has never been long or dense enough to
qualify as "flowing back hair", or warrant shampooing...

> And what are we all going to do about it?

Why should we do anything about it? It's one of those things -- like,
say, the colour of you skin, the size of your feet or the shape of your
skull -- that you cannot really change[1] and that do not[2] have any
bearing on who you really are.

Michael

[1] or, at least, not without disproportionate medical effort
[2] or should not
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276927 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 21:30
Arthur Hagen  
Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote:
>
> But what I really want to know is
> what percentage of men are VH?
> And what are we all going to do about it?
> Any real life VH apfers?

By Very Hairy, do you mean those who let their hair (head and facial) grow
(if they still can), or those who have more hair growth in more places than
"average"?

I can with confidence say I belong to the first category, as my hair is
almost long enough to sit on, and I have a full beard too. Not ZZ Top
length, but 3-4 cm.

As for the second -- well, compared to others my age, I doubt I'm any
hairier than average, but I'm not sure. I don't think men really look at
each other to compare, which I think might be more of a "female" thing, if
you can forgive me the sterotyping. Hair on my arms and legs, sure, and a
strip on my chest and belly, sure, but not so you can't see my skin. No
hair to speak of on my neck and back. Is that normal? I have no idea.

It's also hard to judge because of different hair colour. Light brown hair
doesn't stand out as much as swarthy or blonde varieties. And what about
silver hair? I'm sure I'll get there soon...

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276941 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 21:59
Louise Mac Mahon  
"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:e5q3k8$ujg$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com...
> Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote:
>>
>> But what I really want to know is
>> what percentage of men are VH?
>> And what are we all going to do about it?
>> Any real life VH apfers?
>
> By Very Hairy, do you mean those who let their hair (head and facial) grow
> (if they still can), or those who have more hair growth in more places
> than "average"?

I reckon Very Hairy is hair growing where it usually doesn't or at least is
usually vellus hair.
I'm talking beards that creep up over cheekbones and even on the sides of
eye orbits, pubes that meet chest hair more than half way, back hair as
luxuriant as axillary hair etc. Obviously there is a continuum, 6' is tall
6'4" is very tall 6'7" is extraordinarily tall. I suppose I'm thinking of
people who are 6'4" on the hairometer. Of the nekkid men I've consciously
noticed I'd probably put three in that category. I suppose because I saw two
so recently I'm wondering if perhaps I led a smoothly shetlered life up to
now and there are really lots of VHM around. I have vague recollections of
beach holidays in Greece where the Latino men did seem somewhat hairier that
the Northern Europeans I'd have been hanging round with, but maybe only one
or two would have been VH.
>
> I can with confidence say I belong to the first category, as my hair is
> almost long enough to sit on, and I have a full beard too. Not ZZ Top
> length, but 3-4 cm.
>
> As for the second -- well, compared to others my age, I doubt I'm any
> hairier than average, but I'm not sure. I don't think men really look at
> each other to compare, which I think might be more of a "female" thing, if
> you can forgive me the sterotyping. Hair on my arms and legs, sure, and a
> strip on my chest and belly, sure, but not so you can't see my skin. No
> hair to speak of on my neck and back. Is that normal? I have no idea.

see this is the thing. I suppose when clothes were a seasonal necessity
rather than a social norm we'd have all known where we stood on the bell
curve.
>
> It's also hard to judge because of different hair colour. Light brown
> hair doesn't stand out as much as swarthy or blonde varieties. And what
> about silver hair? I'm sure I'll get there soon...

One of the VHM I saw recently was a silverback :-) but I agree the most
obvious body hair has to be black on very white skin, a fairly
Irish/Scottish type

Louise
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276967 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 22:32
Gid Holyoake  
In article <4ebjlnF1cv9bbU1 [at] individual.net>, Louise Mac Mahon generously
decided to share with us..

Snippetry..

> I reckon Very Hairy is hair growing where it usually doesn't or at least is
> usually vellus hair.
> I'm talking beards that creep up over cheekbones and even on the sides of
> eye orbits, pubes that meet chest hair more than half way, back hair as
> luxuriant as axillary hair etc. Obviously there is a continuum, 6' is tall
> 6'4" is very tall 6'7" is extraordinarily tall. I suppose I'm thinking of
> people who are 6'4" on the hairometer.

That puts me about between the 6' and 6'3ish mark I suspect.. facially I
am very hairy, though there is a noticeable 6" gap between the hair on
my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that eventually joins my pubic
hair.. my back isn't particularly hairy apart from at the back of my
neck where it definitely seems to have an interest in joining my
hairline..

Gid
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #276981 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 22:59
Orjan Westin  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
>
> I reckon Very Hairy is hair growing where it usually doesn't or at
> least is usually vellus hair.

Where's usually? Big toes? Back of hands?

> I'm talking beards that creep up over cheekbones and even on the
> sides of eye orbits, pubes that meet chest hair more than half way,

While I don't have the former - only almost - I'm a bit surprised by the
second definition there. The hair on my belly is definitely not pubic.

I used to, when I was younger and before I got more hirsute, have an
interestingly occult chest hair growth in the form of a point down
pentagram. One line up from my belly button to between my nipples, one
line from there out to each nipple and out to each collarbone.

In recent years I've developed a little tuft of hair on each side of my
back, but so far I haven't got any other hair on my back or shoulders.

What I find a bit strange is that the hair on my arms only grows to a
bit over the elbows - just right to look all hairy when I'm wearing a
t-shirt.

As for whether it has affected relationships, I can't say I've noticed.
Of course, it's highly unlikely I would have had a relationship with
someone who've found me repugnant. :-)

Some like it, some don't. Some think it makes me look like a big,
cuddly bear, and I assume there are those who think it makes me look
like a dangerous and smelly monkey. I wouldn't know.

It's a fashion thing. Thirty or forty years ago, it was considered the
epitome of sexiness the have a really hairy chest - cf Austin Powers -
whereas the current ideal is complete hairlessness. Those who worry
about fashion go and have full-body waxes. I don't.

The hair on my head is receeding and thinning, and I'll not get implants
or try to comb it over. It's me, and that's that. I usually trim the
beard, though, and at times (but not often) I'm clean shaven.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277035 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 00:41
Torak  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> What I find a bit strange is that the hair on my arms only grows to a
> bit over the elbows - just right to look all hairy when I'm wearing a
> t-shirt.

I've found something similar, though different. It seems that the hair
has got worn away under the thigh pockets of the BDU-style trousers I
always wear, which is amusing.

> The hair on my head is receeding and thinning, and I'll not get implants
> or try to comb it over. It's me, and that's that. I usually trim the
> beard, though, and at times (but not often) I'm clean shaven.

Yeah, I've never seen the point in panicking about going bald. After
all, it works for Sam L Jackson, Bruce Willis, David Niven, Yul Brynner
and so on, so I don't know why some people are so obsessed with it.
O'course, the fact that I have a grade 2 crewcut all the time may have
coloured my views on the matter. ;-)
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277227 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 12:22
Graycat  
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:30:17 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art [at] broomstick.com> jotted down:

>Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote:
>>
>> But what I really want to know is
>> what percentage of men are VH?
>> And what are we all going to do about it?
>> Any real life VH apfers?
>
>By Very Hairy, do you mean those who let their hair (head and facial) grow
>(if they still can), or those who have more hair growth in more places than
>"average"?

I think she means this:
http://parangaricutirimicuaro.blogspot.com/hairy_back.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/386215/2/i stockphoto_386215_hairy_swimmer.jpg

When it looks like you're wearing wooly underwear even when
you're not... Face hair doesn't count really, it's the hair
on the shoulders and back especially.

As for what ladies think about it...leg hair generally
doesn't bother me, same with arm hair (usually just
forearms). A hairy chest is ok, but not one of my turn-ons,
and hairy back, I'm afraid, is a turn-off.

But then, I've also become sufficiently brainwashed to
dislike female body hair as well...even, or perhaps
especially, when it's my own.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277246 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 13:10
geminii  
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:30:18 +0100, "Louise Mac Mahon"
<louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote:

>There seems to be a bit of a prejudice
>against body hair (which I share) and I wonder why.

The ever-present danger of being sucked into a pool filter.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277266 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 14:43
geminii  
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:22:59 +0200, Graycat <graycat.meow [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:30:17 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
><art [at] broomstick.com> jotted down:

>>By Very Hairy, do you mean those who let their hair (head and facial) grow
>>(if they still can), or those who have more hair growth in more places than
>>"average"?
>
>I think she means this:
>http://parangaricutirimicuaro.blogspot.com/hairy_back.jpg
> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/386215/2/i stockphoto_386215_hairy_swimmer.jpg

Oh, my stars and garters...
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277267 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 14:44
steelcat  
In article <4ebjlnF1cv9bbU1 [at] individual.net>,
"Louise Mac Mahon" <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote:

>One of the VHM I saw recently was a silverback :-) but I agree the most
>obvious body hair has to be black on very white skin, a fairly
>Irish/Scottish type

Speaking as a fairly Irish/Scottish type (0.125/0.875) I have a sparse
covering of very light brown hair. Sparse and light to the extent that I
suspect I could shave or wax everything but my head and no-one would
notice.

OTOH I have a colleague who makes the Wolf Man seem like he has alopecia.

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
We've done the impossible and that makes us mighty
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277346 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 19:16
Arthur Hagen  
Graycat <graycat.meow [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:30:17 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
> <art [at] broomstick.com> jotted down:
>
>> By Very Hairy, do you mean those who let their hair (head and
>> facial) grow (if they still can), or those who have more hair growth
>> in more places than "average"?
>
> I think she means this:
> http://parangaricutirimicuaro.blogspot.com/hairy_back.jpg

Damn, I *wish* I had fur like that. Unfortunately, I don't -- my back and
upper arms only have fine down, if even that, and I spend a lot of my days
shivering and freezing. At least my hair is long enough to use as a scarf
at night, which helps.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277353 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 19:29
Stacie Hanes  
Gid Holyoake wrote:
> between the hair on my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that
> eventually joins my pubic hair

See, even here we go THERE. It's like magic.

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277447 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 21:48
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<eGjgg.8572$921.2236 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> Gid Holyoake wrote:
> > between the hair on my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that
> > eventually joins my pubic hair
>
> See, even here we go THERE. It's like magic.
>

Or gravity.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277449 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 22:09
Stacie Hanes  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> <eGjgg.8572$921.2236 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>> Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>> between the hair on my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that
>>> eventually joins my pubic hair
>>
>> See, even here we go THERE. It's like magic.
>>
>
> Or gravity.

And gods help me, I wonder where it would go if we were discussing *my*
pubic hair.

But it's one of those things I wonder without hoping we actually do, IYSWIM.
If you really MUST, my reply-to is valid.

Not that this is an invitation.

<shutting tf up>

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy ashie
passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example,
you'll just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277452 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 22:19
Torak  
Anastasia wrote:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
>>>Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>>
>>>> between the hair on my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that
>>>>eventually joins my pubic hair
>>>
>>>See, even here we go THERE. It's like magic.
>>
>>Or gravity.
>
> And gods help me, I wonder where it would go if we were discussing *my*
> pubic hair.

Oh gods, don't even mention it. Please. The traffic would kill the internet.

> But it's one of those things I wonder without hoping we actually do, IYSWIM.
> If you really MUST, my reply-to is valid.
>
> Not that this is an invitation.
>
> <shutting tf up>

B good plan.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277479 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 23:05
Lister  
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:09:09 GMT, "Anastasia"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>> Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
>> <eGjgg.8572$921.2236 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>>> Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>>> between the hair on my chest and the somewhat lighter hair that
>>>> eventually joins my pubic hair
>>>
>>> See, even here we go THERE. It's like magic.
>>>
>>
>> Or gravity.
>
>And gods help me, I wonder where it would go if we were discussing *my*
>pubic hair.
>
>But it's one of those things I wonder without hoping we actually do, IYSWIM.
>If you really MUST, my reply-to is valid.
>

I sense a disturbance in the force.

Stacie's mail server has just gone bye bye :)
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277539 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 00:52
Stacie Hanes  
Lister wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:09:09 GMT, "Anastasia"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>> But it's one of those things I wonder without hoping we actually
>> do, IYSWIM. If you really MUST, my reply-to is valid.
>>
>
> I sense a disturbance in the force.
>
> Stacie's mail server has just gone bye bye :)

I did that on purpose. They deserved it on accounta my intermittent and
buggy usenet access for the past 2 weeks.

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy ashie
passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example,
you'll just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277581 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 01:51
Rocky Frisco  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:

> This is trivial. And I'm ashamed to admit that I spent a good half an hour
> trying to find out what percentage of men are very hairy. No reason, well no
> good reason. It's just the last two times I've been swimming with the kids I
> saw a Very Hairy Man, and they were two seperate individuals. So I got to
> wondering what percentage of men are VH, and do they have to use shampoo all
> over etc. Also most interested in whether it is something that works for or
> against men in relationships. Are all the other men jealous or sympathetic?
> Are women charmed or repulsed? I'm voting for repulsed. I can still see the
> initial VHM's flowing back hair swirling round his shoulders in the jacuzzi
> and muster a shudder.
> Google has not been much help. I've discovered there are some individuals
> with incredibly hairy bodies, faces and all, some of whom eked out a living
> in circuses, and that hirsuitism in women is linked to PCOS. But what I
> really want to know is
> what percentage of men are VH?
> And what are we all going to do about it?
> Any real life VH apfers?

Yes. The most important member of all, in fact.

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277589 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 02:03
Torak  
Rocky Frisco wrote:
> Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
>
>> Any real life [very hairy] apfers?
>
> Yes. The most important member of all, in fact.

What, the Librarian?
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277630 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 04:16
Hendrik Schober  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rocky Frisco wrote:
> > Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
> >
> > > Any real life [very hairy] apfers?
> >
> > Yes. The most important member of all, in fact.
>
> What, the Librarian?

<splorf>

OK, that wine was bad anyway, so you get away this
time. Not that I like this... :o>

Schobi

--
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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277680 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 10:47
Orjan Westin  
Graycat wrote:
>
> When it looks like you're wearing wooly underwear even when
> you're not... Face hair doesn't count really, it's the hair
> on the shoulders and back especially.
>
> As for what ladies think about it...leg hair generally
> doesn't bother me, same with arm hair (usually just
> forearms). A hairy chest is ok, but not one of my turn-ons,
> and hairy back, I'm afraid, is a turn-off.

FWIW, I think that's the most common attitude to male hirsuteness in
northern Europe, and has been so for at least thirty years.

At times, both hairy and hairless chests have been considered
fashionable, and thus turn-ons, but like all other fashions, I think
only a small minority of those who care about them do so from a purely
personal preference point of view.

> But then, I've also become sufficiently brainwashed to
> dislike female body hair as well...even, or perhaps
> especially, when it's my own.

I can't say I have any strong preferences on female body hair, but I've
been sufficiently brainwashed to react with surprise to a woman with
legs hairier than mine. I've only met a couple of those, though, and
one of them was the most attractive girl I had ever met at that point in
my life, so I don't think I'm so strongly conditioned it has made me
overlook everything else.

I dislike complete female hairlessness, especially on women without a
"female" body shape, though. It makes me think they try to look like
underage girls, which for me is a definite turn-off.

Orjan
--
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Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277683 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 10:57
Graycat  
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:47:30 +0100, "Orjan Westin"
<nospam [at] cunobaros.com> jotted down:

>Graycat wrote:

>> As for what ladies think about it...leg hair generally
>> doesn't bother me, same with arm hair (usually just
>> forearms). A hairy chest is ok, but not one of my turn-ons,
>> and hairy back, I'm afraid, is a turn-off.
>
>FWIW, I think that's the most common attitude to male hirsuteness in
>northern Europe, and has been so for at least thirty years.
>
>At times, both hairy and hairless chests have been considered
>fashionable, and thus turn-ons, but like all other fashions, I think
>only a small minority of those who care about them do so from a purely
>personal preference point of view.

Probably - it's cultural conditioning. But it incites, in me
anyway, a physical reaction, it's not that I intellectually
think back-hair is ugly, but that I physically go ugh.
There's also all sorts of associations - like underarm hair
makes me think of sweat and lack of washing. I don't
complain about it though...because apparently it's ok for
men...

>I dislike complete female hairlessness, especially on women without a
>"female" body shape, though. It makes me think they try to look like
>underage girls, which for me is a definite turn-off.

Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
maintenance...gah..
--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277709 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 12:07
Eric Jarvis  
Graycat rosen.elin [at] gmail.com wrote in
<cp7582la6d6rs7f47od1jqksqsf9o0f8a3 [at] 4ax.com>:
>
> Probably - it's cultural conditioning. But it incites, in me
> anyway, a physical reaction, it's not that I intellectually
> think back-hair is ugly, but that I physically go ugh.
> There's also all sorts of associations - like underarm hair
> makes me think of sweat and lack of washing. I don't
> complain about it though...because apparently it's ok for
> men...
>

Actually one of the things underarm hair does is reduce the smell of stale
sweat. Many years ago a friend of mine tested it experimentally by shaving
one armpit regularly over several months.

Not being a biologist I have no idea what process is involved.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277773 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 17:44
Stacie Hanes  
Graycat wrote:

> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
> maintenance...gah..

I was thinking of trying that, but . . .anyway.

I like to shave the usual shaved parts (of me), but I'm a little random
about it. I occasionally forget the legs for months at a time, and once,
recently, I shaved ONE leg and forgot about the other until the next shower.

Don't like to have hairy armpits, though, at all. Especially since I am
vampire-pale and naturally very dark brunette.

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy ashie
passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiancee to Andrew Nevill
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277793 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 18:48
Diane L  
Anastasia wrote:
> Graycat wrote:
>
>> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
>> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
>> maintenance...gah..
>
> I was thinking of trying that, but . . .anyway.

It's not actually that much trouble. While showering I shave
armpits, legs and ... anything else that I want hair free. Takes
about a minute a day to keep that way.

Diane L. (TMI, anyone?)
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277797 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 19:01
jester  
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:48:29 +0100, Diane L
<dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
<trim>
>Diane L. (TMI, anyone?)

Not really, I tend to do the same thing.

--
Andy Brown
"The Computer made me do it."
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277806 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 19:33
Stacie Hanes  
Diane L wrote:
> Anastasia wrote:
>> Graycat wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
>>> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
>>> maintenance...gah..
>>
>> I was thinking of trying that, but . . .anyway.
>
> It's not actually that much trouble. While showering I shave
> armpits, legs and ... anything else that I want hair free. Takes
> about a minute a day to keep that way.

No, but you can take it to e-mail as long as you don't mind what the
recipient does with the info, thought-wise.

Could I just randomly point out that my reply-to is valid . . . ?

<I should be writing, I should be writing....and I don't mean pervy replies
on afp, either>

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy ashie
passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiancee to Andrew Nevill
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277807 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 19:34
Stacie Hanes  
jester wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:48:29 +0100, Diane L
> <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
> <trim>
>> Diane L. (TMI, anyone?)
>
> Not really, I tend to do the same thing.

I didn't even know you and Diane knew each other....
--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy ashie
passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiancee to Andrew Nevill
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277821 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 20:14
Graycat  
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:48:29 +0100, "Diane L"
<dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> jotted down:

>Anastasia wrote:
>> Graycat wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
>>> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
>>> maintenance...gah..
>>
>> I was thinking of trying that, but . . .anyway.
>
>It's not actually that much trouble. While showering I shave
>armpits, legs and ... anything else that I want hair free. Takes
>about a minute a day to keep that way.

Ah, well, I don't shower every day. I don't need to and it
would probably make all my skin fall off...

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277895 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 23:42
Louise Mac Mahon  
"Graycat" <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cp7582la6d6rs7f47od1jqksqsf9o0f8a3 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:47:30 +0100, "Orjan Westin"
> <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> jotted down:
>
>>Graycat wrote:
>
>>> As for what ladies think about it...leg hair generally
>>> doesn't bother me, same with arm hair (usually just
>>> forearms). A hairy chest is ok, but not one of my turn-ons,
>>> and hairy back, I'm afraid, is a turn-off.
>>
>>FWIW, I think that's the most common attitude to male hirsuteness in
>>northern Europe, and has been so for at least thirty years.
>>
>>At times, both hairy and hairless chests have been considered
>>fashionable, and thus turn-ons, but like all other fashions, I think
>>only a small minority of those who care about them do so from a purely
>>personal preference point of view.
>
> Probably - it's cultural conditioning. But it incites, in me
> anyway, a physical reaction, it's not that I intellectually
> think back-hair is ugly, but that I physically go ugh.

It was the long grey back hair waving round in the jacuzzi that gave me
pause for thought.
Isn't it so weird though that we can culturally condition our responses to
bodies? Sometimes in ways which are counter-darwinian. We haven't evolved an
innate knowlege that we won't be needing to give birth in a bender or kill a
mammoth today. We "should" still be valuing traits which will maximise our
survival and reproduction chances. But while on an unconscious level we
still seem to_ women looking longest at men with strong chins broad
shoulders, women dressing and acting more available when ovulating, men
being so good at the waist hip math and being suckers for anything that
looks like a good breeder_consciously our culture and others (foot binding
anyone?) have chosen the strangest body parts to fetishise and the strangest
body types to value. What for instance is with the model body_ underweight,
androgynous, attenuated?
I often think human intelligence is a bit of a handicap.Like big antlers
that keep getting us stuck in briar patches we would have breezed through
otherwise.

> There's also all sorts of associations - like underarm hair
> makes me think of sweat and lack of washing. I don't
> complain about it though...because apparently it's ok for
> men...

I spent a sweaty few weeks in Italy in about '79-'80 in the company of some
American girls. I was glowing with feminist virtue (and also closet
embarassment) and resolutely shaved nothing. The American girls were between
shocked and bemused. I started to feel better the further south we got
because not only did people seem to wax more luxuriant on the hairometer,
women hadn't even started shaving (or indeed waxing) so there was no giving
it up and no issue at all.
>
>>I dislike complete female hairlessness, especially on women without a
>>"female" body shape, though. It makes me think they try to look like
>>underage girls, which for me is a definite turn-off.

A bit squicky. Also the whole poultry resemblance. But everyone should try
such a reversable experiment at least once :-)
>
> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
> maintenance...gah..

one word_Nair

Louise
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277897 ] So, 04 Juni 2006 23:45
Stacie Hanes  
Louise Mac Mahon wrote:
> "Graycat" <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cp7582la6d6rs7f47od1jqksqsf9o0f8a3 [at] 4ax.com...

>> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
>> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
>> maintenance...gah..
>
> one word_Nair

One *other* wor...noise: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiance to Andrew Nevill & Graycat's
Guttersnipe
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277907 ] Mo, 05 Juni 2006 00:11
Diane L  
Graycat wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:48:29 +0100, "Diane L"
> <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> jotted down:
>
>> Anastasia wrote:
>>> Graycat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, well, I was thinking of legs, armpits and facial hair.
>>>> There will be no going brazilian...pain, stubble, itching,
>>>> maintenance...gah..
>>>
>>> I was thinking of trying that, but . . .anyway.
>>
>> It's not actually that much trouble. While showering I shave
>> armpits, legs and ... anything else that I want hair free. Takes
>> about a minute a day to keep that way.
>
> Ah, well, I don't shower every day. I don't need to and it
> would probably make all my skin fall off...

In that case, it's probably not a good idea. Depends on how fast
your hair grows, obviously, but stubble can be a real pain if you
let it get out of hand.

Diane L.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277908 ] Mo, 05 Juni 2006 00:13
Stacie Hanes  
Diane L wrote:

> stubble can be a real pain if you
> let it get out of hand.

So it's true, then, about hair growing on the palms of your hands if . . .

never mind
--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiance to Andrew Nevill & Graycat's
Guttersnipe
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277912 ] Mo, 05 Juni 2006 00:26
Diane L  
Anastasia wrote:
> Diane L wrote:
>
>> stubble can be a real pain if you
>> let it get out of hand.
>
> So it's true, then, about hair growing on the palms of your hands if
> . . .
> never mind

Believe it or not, I checked that post for innuendo before I posted
it, and sent it believing that it was free of anthing that could be
misconstrued (or creatively reconstrued) . Either I just can't help
myself or you have a real talent for finding the gutter.

Or both ;-)

Diane L.
Re: [I] hair and help with google [message #277915 ] Mo, 05 Juni 2006 00:34
Stacie Hanes  
Diane L wrote:
> Anastasia wrote:
>> Diane L wrote:
>>
>>> stubble can be a real pain if you
>>> let it get out of hand.
>>
>> So it's true, then, about hair growing on the palms of your hands
>> if . . .
>> never mind
>
> Believe it or not, I checked that post for innuendo before I posted
> it, and sent it believing that it was free of anthing that could be
> misconstrued (or creatively reconstrued) .

Suuuuure you did.

Maybe a second opinion would help, or one of our helpful chappies could
write some innuendo-finding code for us, for those rare occasions when we
want to post without even half an entendre.

> Either I just can't help
> myself or you have a real talent for finding the gutter.

As Adrian said, I have a talent for finding the subtle meanings of things.

It is a power that can be used for good or for evil--it is a great
responsibility.

> Or both ;-)

I think so. OTOH, I think the gutter is the size of Alaska.

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED AFPFiance to Andrew Nevill & Graycat's
Guttersnipe
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